008: What's 'Extreme’ in 2025? feat. J.M. Berger

For reasons still unknown to the podcast, someone on Twitter applied a “chad” filter to this photo of Jack Posobiec, Donald Trump, and JD Vance in the Oval Office and then slapped a bald eagle on it. (Twitter/m3mph1sb)

J.M. Berger wrote the book on extremism — literally. The internationally renowned expert discussed methods of defining “extremism” and whether a mainstream political movement, like MAGA, could be accurately labeled that way.

Read J.M. Berger’s work:

• Extremism (The MIT Press Essential Knowledge series)

• The Social Construction of Extremism (Dissertation)

• Lawful Extremism (Series)

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A huge thank you to Katharine Antoun for the show’s new cover art. (Website / Instagram)