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Ellie Kesselman's avatar

May I recommend that you look into two things. Start with the 'Woke Right'. It took me awhile to figure out what was meant by that term.

They are at the intersection of The American Conservative, Electronic Intifada, Ha'aretz, Glenn Greenwald, and yes, The Atlantic ...but only peripherally, i.e. that's why I said intersection not union! Specifically, the Woke Right are not neoconservatives, unlike the The Atlantic. Some support Ukraine, others are indifferent, and mostly anti-war. None are Zionists. They aren't in favor of globalism but they do advocate for working-class Americans, mostly regardless of race. Some are pro-Trump, some voted for Kamala Harris; many weren't enthusiastic about either.

Next, please consider this regarding free speech: People who live in the U.S. with green cards or other non-citizen legal residency are not allowed to call for the overthrow of the U.S. government, nor financially support designated terrorist organizations. Citizens can't financially support designated terrorist entities either, but they have more latitude in criticizing the U.S. government and Americans in general. The guy who was formerly a student at Columbia University (here on a green card) was using a bull horn and handing out flyers (several nights a week for about a year) to call for the overthrow of the U.S. government. ICE is allowed to deport people who do that. It isn't about civil rights. It is a law.

Moving on, I really enjoyed your prior podcast about Glenn Greenwald. It was a very decent, mostly dispassionate assessment. That's a good thing.

As for this podcast: I find it rather disgusting that your guest, Noah, boasts due to having cursed at (using the f word) an elderly Jewish woman who was afraid of Antifa. He also claimed that neo-Nazis are "not a thing" in 2024 but were in 2018, 2019, 2020 but not now. That's puzzling. I think the host of this podcast (unlike guest Noah) is more well-informed.

The ADL is flawed. I believe that they lost their way a long time ago, maybe 20 years. (SPLC is also flawed due to its deep institutional corruption, e.g. multiple successful lawsuits against them due to financial malfeasance and sexual harassment. It is well-documented.)

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hardindr's avatar

I was surprised this was not mentioned on the podcast: https://merip.org/1993/07/adls-spy-ring/

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